Episode 66 — The Criminal Conspiracies of Cas Piancey — Crypto Critics’ Corner

Crypto Critics' Corner

The Career Criminal Conspiracies of Cas Piancey Crypto Critics' Corner

Today Cas (Orson Newstat) and Bennett talk about Cas' previous arrest record and why he's being forced to share his name and discuss an arrest from 16 years ago.

In this episode Cas Piancey (Orson Newstat) reveals his identity to the world, describes his past arrest, and Bennett Tomlin and Cas describe why this is being revealed now.

Other episodes mentioned in this show:

The article I mentioned:

If you would like to subscribe to my premium newsletter then please go here.

If you want the free posts from this blog delivered to your inbox:

I also have a Discord server that you can join here.

English transcript:

Cas Piancey: Welcome back, everyone.

Cas Piancey: I am Cas Piancey, Orson Newstat, if you so please.

Cas Piancey: And I am joined as usual, by my partner in crime, Mr.

Cas Piancey: Bennett.

Cas Piancey: Tomlin, how are you today?

Bennett Tomlin: I'm doing pretty well.

Bennett Tomlin: Orson, how are you?

Cas Piancey: I'm doing good.

Bennett Tomlin: That felt so fucking weird.

Cas Piancey: Yeah, well, it's been strange.

Cas Piancey: It's been strange nonstop for about 24 hours now.

Cas Piancey: Today we are recording.

Cas Piancey: It's Saturday, April 2, day after April Fool's Day.

Cas Piancey: God, what a foolish day yesterday was.

Cas Piancey: But we're not here to talk instantly about that.

Cas Piancey: Instead, we're here to talk about my horrifying deception, my criminal past.

Cas Piancey: I got to be straight with our audience.

Cas Piancey: I got to tell them about who I am, about who I really am.

Cas Piancey: My hand has been forced.

Cas Piancey: We'll say that much.

Bennett Tomlin: We got to reveal that you were working with Omar Dahani and Michael Patryn.

Bennett Tomlin: Shadow Krew, of course, right?

Cas Piancey: Yeah.

Cas Piancey: It's definitely related to a massive multimillion dollar fraud.

Cas Piancey: So that's why I know so much about this stuff.

Cas Piancey: No, sorry, guys.

Cas Piancey: I hate to break it to you, this story is kind of boring, but I do want to get into it because it came up.

Cas Piancey: So we're going to do it.

Bennett Tomlin: So, Cas, what happened back when you were 16 years old?

Cas Piancey: I was 18 years old.

Cas Piancey: It was 16 years ago.

Cas Piancey: That's right, 16 years ago.

Cas Piancey: I was just out of high school.

Cas Piancey: I was really keen to be tagging.

Cas Piancey: I enjoyed tagging.

Cas Piancey: There was a crew of us.

Cas Piancey: We had this crew, and all of us were different dictators.

Cas Piancey: That's who we were named after.

Cas Piancey: So I, for instance, was Kim Jong.

Cas Piancey: We would stencil these dictators around Los Angeles.

Cas Piancey: It was goofy, it was goofy.

Cas Piancey: And honestly, we had rules.

Cas Piancey: So thankfully, one of my friends had been tagging since he was probably ten or twelve.

Cas Piancey: And there's, like, a lot of rules that you need to know before you start getting involved in that scene.

Cas Piancey: I urge no one to get involved in that scene.

Cas Piancey: So let me just say that flat out.

Cas Piancey: I'm not telling anyone to go commit crimes.

Cas Piancey: I'm not telling anyone to go start tagging.

Cas Piancey: Clearly, it didn't do me any favors because now I had to share my real name with everybody and divulge my deep criminal past.

Cas Piancey: So I'm not telling anybody to go do this.

Cas Piancey: But Thankfully, I knew someone who had done it for a long time and could kind of teach me the ropes.

Cas Piancey: So there's rules to this stuff.

Cas Piancey: Like, if you tag people's personal private property, if you hit somebody's garage or something in their house, that's just horrifying, you should never, ever do that.

Cas Piancey: The only people who do that are gang members.

Cas Piancey: You want to avoid art.

Cas Piancey: Well, in La, we have billboards that will occasionally be, like, bought by an artist or something instead of a Corporation.

Cas Piancey: You never want to tag over that kind of stuff.

Cas Piancey: If somebody does, like, a giant mural or bomb in an alleyway, and you just have your little tag.

Cas Piancey: You do not paint over someone's giant bomb or mural.

Cas Piancey: It's bad form.

Cas Piancey: So there's these rules that you have going in.

Cas Piancey: Thankfully, I was aware of it.

Cas Piancey: And I can say that for a while it was again, not telling anybody to do this, not trying to suggest it's a good idea.

Cas Piancey: But for a while it was very exciting.

Cas Piancey: And to be to be honest, I was having quite a bit of fun.

Cas Piancey: We were going up on billboards.

Cas Piancey: We were painting over McDonald's ads.

Cas Piancey: And it was fun.

Cas Piancey: It was great.

Cas Piancey: Basically, what happened is after roughly, I don't know, maybe six months, four months of doing that, something like that, I decided to take a trip to Beverly Hills, which, looking back on it, was certainly a mistake.

Cas Piancey: And we went and tagged in Beverly Hills.

Cas Piancey: I should be specific.

Cas Piancey: The part that I actually do regret, and I want to say I'm sorry for because I don't regret tagging.

Cas Piancey: For the most part, I don't regret this part of my life, really.

Cas Piancey: But that night we did tag Beverly Hills High School.

Cas Piancey: So that's public funds.

Cas Piancey: That's the wrong thing to attack.

Cas Piancey: And we also were so angsty as like, share the wealth and whatever.

Cas Piancey: It's very like, very 18 year old angst filled, dude.

Cas Piancey: Anyway, I got arrested that evening.

Cas Piancey: The Beverly Hills Police Department is quite efficient.

Cas Piancey: I don't think there's a lot of crime going on in Beverly Hills.

Bennett Tomlin: Unlike LA, they have time to go after Tigers.

Bennett Tomlin: There's a lot less murder and stuff.

Cas Piancey: Exactly.

Cas Piancey: And so they booked me that night.

Cas Piancey: And, hey, I wish I could leave a review on Yelp or something, but if you're going to get arrested, I highly recommend getting arrested in Beverly Hills.

Cas Piancey: That's the best place, I think, to get arrested because this is my story of being arrested in Beverly Hills when I get to the jail.

Cas Piancey: So there's jail cells.

Cas Piancey: Everybody's familiar with a single cell where you go in, but a jail cell is on a jail block, right?

Cas Piancey: The block has all these different cells.

Cas Piancey: Well, when I got there that evening, I don't know what it was.

Cas Piancey: Maybe it was a Sunday evening, something like that.

Cas Piancey: There was no one else in the jail block.

Cas Piancey: So they left my jail cell door open.

Cas Piancey: They turned the light on for me in one cell, and they said, hey, if you want to read, go to this cell and you can read the magazines and stuff that we have there.

Cas Piancey: If you want to go to sleep, there's another cell right over there.

Cas Piancey: We turn the lights off so you can go to sleep if you want.

Cas Piancey: It's like, wow, I have multitude of choices for what I'd like to do.

Cas Piancey: Then I had a hard time sleeping.

Cas Piancey: I was not in the best frame of mind.

Cas Piancey: I also was not reading.

Cas Piancey: I think I was mostly just crying and feeling bad.

Cas Piancey: But they brought me breakfast also.

Cas Piancey: And I distinctly recall the breakfast, which was Orange juice, cereal and milk, French toast sticks.

Cas Piancey: Again, I don't make that for myself at home.

Cas Piancey: So this was kind of like, wow, getting like, a pretty nice treatment for jail.

Cas Piancey: So again, ten out of ten for a jail experience.

Cas Piancey: If you're going to get arrested, do it in Beverly Hills.

Cas Piancey: Anyway, after that, I got picked up by my parents.

Cas Piancey: They had to bail me out.

Cas Piancey: And it was the classic, we're not mad at you.

Cas Piancey: We're just disappointed.

Cas Piancey: And so, yeah, it was rough.

Cas Piancey: I ended up pleading no contest to trespassing or whatever it is, walking away with a rock.

Cas Piancey: I don't even remember what the exact charge is.

Cas Piancey: It's something silly.

Cas Piancey: I had to do community service, and I had probation for I think it was two or three years, like, a lot of probation for graffiti.

Cas Piancey: And I also had a restraining order 1500 yards away from Beverly Hills High School.

Cas Piancey: None of that stuff is real anymore.

Cas Piancey: It's not something that affects my daily life.

Cas Piancey: And again, it's not something that I'm happy to speak about.

Cas Piancey: It because I was 18.

Cas Piancey: I was being a goofball.

Cas Piancey: I'm not ashamed of the thoughts that I held at that time.

Cas Piancey: I still feel a lot of that stuff to this day.

Cas Piancey: I don't like billionaires.

Cas Piancey: Well, I didn't like them when I was 18 either.

Cas Piancey: Clearly, after you were done that night.

Bennett Tomlin: You did not have many reasons as a young adult to return to Beverly Hills High School.

Cas Piancey: No, that's true.

Cas Piancey: That's true.

Cas Piancey: And look, so that took what, roughly ten minutes for us to discuss this, the charge that was against me.

Cas Piancey: But now and I don't want to use this person's name, but I want to talk about why we're talking about it, because I think that's actually the more important topic.

Cas Piancey: A couple of days ago, somebody on Twitter who had previously threatened to docs me, who previously threatened me and done really cruel things to my friends.

Cas Piancey: Again, I'm not going to use names.

Cas Piancey: I can say that this person has talked a lot of s*** about you.

Cas Piancey: This person has personally attacked you and I regularly, repeatedly, all the time, publicly, and we don't mention this guy ever.

Cas Piancey: Like, this is not someone we give two fucks about.

Cas Piancey: And yet consistently attacking us, consistently coming after us, whatever, that's his prerogative.

Cas Piancey: But a year ago, he basically threatened to DOX me.

Cas Piancey: And unless I took a call with him, then he would tell everybody in my name.

Cas Piancey: So I took the call.

Cas Piancey: And this is really what I want to talk about, because I think this is a weird, manipulative thing.

Bennett Tomlin: I think before this, we should mention that early on, when we were getting into kind of this crypto skeptic crypto critic community, this was a person we had talked to and communicated with, and I had DMed with and talked with and done all these things with.

Bennett Tomlin: And so there was a bit of a history leading up to this, and then some things transpired, and things started to spiral and become really strange.

Cas Piancey: Yeah, well, let's say this.

Cas Piancey: This person decided to create some things, some cryptocurrency thing, and we were all critical of that.

Cas Piancey: That was it.

Cas Piancey: We were very critical of that.

Cas Piancey: That's the one time that we were like, this guy kind of sucks, and that was like a death spiral that just set him off.

Cas Piancey: And that's when maybe I'm getting the order of operations here wrong.

Cas Piancey: I think you blocked him first.

Cas Piancey: I think you were the first one to block him.

Bennett Tomlin: After the emails started coming, I blocked him.

Cas Piancey: Oh, it's the emails first.

Cas Piancey: Okay, so order of operations here, this guy starts emailing us and including journalists who we like, I'm not going to name that journalist either, but a journalist at the Financial Times, who we were getting along with and speaking with regularly, he basically did everything to tar and feather us and our reputations by just being really f****** creepy.

Cas Piancey: By just, like, constantly doing these emails, including us, in emails where there's just no reason to do it and saying, like, we weren't taking his calls, we weren't talking to him, we weren't responding to him.

Cas Piancey: We're like, why would you work with these people?

Cas Piancey: Why would you even communicate with these people?

Cas Piancey: It was super desperate and super strange.

Cas Piancey: So that was happening.

Cas Piancey: And then you blocked him, which, of course, set him off more.

Cas Piancey: And then at some point, I just decided I'm going to block this guy, too.

Cas Piancey: So I blocked him.

Cas Piancey: And then he made some argument about how like, oh, this guy is anonymous.

Cas Piancey: It's a consistent thing that he does, by the way.

Cas Piancey: He constantly talks about how anonymity means you can't possibly trust someone.

Cas Piancey: Anonymity means you can't possibly look at somebody's body of work and make a decision on how you feel on your own.

Cas Piancey: Instead, you need to shame anonymity.

Cas Piancey: It's a bad thing.

Cas Piancey: And all of these people, you can't trust anybody who uses a pseudonym.

Cas Piancey: Who cares why they do it?

Cas Piancey: I don't care.

Cas Piancey: Don't trust them.

Cas Piancey: So he was coming at me for that.

Cas Piancey: So I DMed him, and I said, dude, I am not afraid to tell you my name.

Cas Piancey: If you think I'm afraid for you to look my name up, I have nothing to hide told him my name and then blocked him, and that's when he threatened to docks me.

Cas Piancey: And then I was like, okay, I guess I have nothing to do here.

Cas Piancey: I guess the whole point of me being pseudo anonymous is that that isn't the case, that there's at least an extra step for people to have to find me.

Cas Piancey: Right?

Cas Piancey: And so I took this call.

Cas Piancey: I took this call with him, which is really unfortunate, and I shouldn't have done that.

Cas Piancey: But this is the kind of manipulative behavior that you get from I think it's a common thing, and I want people to recognize it if they see it in their own lives, because I actually think it's quite common.

Cas Piancey: This idea of holding something over any power that you think you have over someone else and just being like, I'm going to use it.

Cas Piancey: I'm going to use it against them.

Cas Piancey: I don't care if they're a friend or a foe or what they are.

Cas Piancey: I'm going to ruin.

Cas Piancey: I'm going to make their life miserable.

Cas Piancey: And that is absolutely what he did.

Cas Piancey: And I was like, okay, fine, I'll take your call, man.

Cas Piancey: I'll take your call.

Cas Piancey: And I just tried to appease him.

Cas Piancey: I ignored him after that.

Cas Piancey: I muted him, didn't respond to his constant attacks against our podcast, against the work you put out.

Cas Piancey: He would DM me and talk about how you contribute nothing to the space, all this stuff.

Bennett Tomlin: I wonder why I blocked him and didn't want to talk to him anymore.

Bennett Tomlin: It seems so strange, so unbelievable.

Cas Piancey: The only reason I hadn't blocked him up until that point is because I essentially feared him and what he would do if I did, if I decided to block him.

Cas Piancey: Well, I didn't need to fear that because it turns out this guy clearly wanted to DOX me regardless.

Cas Piancey: And these tweets that he was suggesting to people, he was trying to get people to look it up without saying my name.

Cas Piancey: He was basically trying to be like, look into his criminal history.

Cas Piancey: He's been arrested.

Cas Piancey: Look at how bad this guy is.

Cas Piancey: You can find stuff about him in Los Angeles.

Cas Piancey: You just need to dig and what I felt, and this is just a feeling.

Cas Piancey: But when you start seeing that from someone, you go, oh, this person's unhinged.

Cas Piancey: They're going to start DMing people my name and where I live and stuff that's just kind of the person that they are.

Cas Piancey: I don't know what kind of head space he's in right now, but that is what I was feeling from him.

Cas Piancey: And so I made the decision.

Cas Piancey: At that point, you have to control your own narrative.

Cas Piancey: And I couldn't do it anymore, right?

Cas Piancey: I couldn't let this scumbag Hover control over me, even though, who is he?

Cas Piancey: What does he contribute?

Cas Piancey: What does he do?

Cas Piancey: How is he benefiting society in any way, shape or form?

Cas Piancey: Meanwhile, he tries to silence you and me and tar and feather us.

Cas Piancey: He goes after Coiners.

Cas Piancey: No Coiners.

Cas Piancey: Everybody.

Cas Piancey: Everyone.

Bennett Tomlin: At one point, he even reached out to the boss of one of our mutual friends to complain about some tweets our friend had made and effectively.

Cas Piancey: Like, it tried to get our friend fired for tweets.

Cas Piancey: For tweets.

Bennett Tomlin: Yeah.

Cas Piancey: Now if that's not the pettiest bullshit you've ever heard, like, okay, but then it just keeps going.

Cas Piancey: And here's what I'll say is that so many I didn't know what would happen, right?

Cas Piancey: Because the internet and Twitter can be so f****** cruel and just generally unpredictable.

Cas Piancey: Too unpredictable, cruel and being vulnerable, exposing some essence of yourself that other people haven't seen.

Cas Piancey: It is scary.

Cas Piancey: I don't care what people say, I don't care if they're telling you, grow balls, you suck p****.

Cas Piancey: It's like, okay, whatever, you go criticize multibillion dollar companies and individuals with your name and s***.

Cas Piancey: Also, I haven't talked about this on Twitter, but it affects me in a much bigger way than even corporations or anything because my girlfriend is in a country that them.

Cas Piancey: Knowing my name and what I do for a living could affect whether I can ever go there again.

Cas Piancey: So thanks, Douchebag.

Cas Piancey: If you're listening to this, you probably made it so I can't visit my girlfriend in your country ever again.

Cas Piancey: Really cool stuff.

Cas Piancey: Anyway, repercussions clearly that this piece of work does not think about before he behaves the way that he does.

Cas Piancey: But the support yesterday after I really didn't know, I thought, oh God, what's going to happen here?

Cas Piancey: Not only did I get so much like, pure love, people just saying like, dude, we love what you and Bennett do with the podcast.

Cas Piancey: Keep doing that and ignore people like this.

Cas Piancey: I also got people reaching out to me and saying like, this guy is a monster and he's been attacking me or he did the exact same thing to me.

Cas Piancey: And then people quote tweeting it and being like, this guy is a coward.

Cas Piancey: This guy is a coward.

Cas Piancey: I know first hand that he's a coward and a manipulator.

Cas Piancey: Like, just so many people who had the exact same experience.

Cas Piancey: And that's when you recognize it's not just me, right?

Cas Piancey: I'm not the only one who was so fearful of the scumbag.

Cas Piancey: Like, dozens of people have had this experience and it took somebody going very loudly.

Cas Piancey: I am not going to put up with this anymore, a******.

Cas Piancey: And if you think I'm afraid of you, you're wrong for everyone else to be like, yeah, f*** this guy.

Cas Piancey: So I don't know, the community blew me away yesterday.

Cas Piancey: Really just I can't put it into words.

Cas Piancey: I don't know, it's hard for me.

Cas Piancey: I get all choked up because in my head I'm like, this is a silly charge from like 16 years ago.

Cas Piancey: And you hope that that's how people will interpret it as well without having to say it.

Cas Piancey: I didn't say this is silly or anything in thread.

Cas Piancey: I did say, like, I did spell out exactly what happened.

Cas Piancey: And I said, I'm not afraid to tell everybody this, but wow, thank God.

Cas Piancey: Yeah, everyone was like, trespassing 16 years ago.

Cas Piancey: You cover financial fraud now?

Cas Piancey: Who gives a f***?

Bennett Tomlin: Yeah.

Bennett Tomlin: And even more broadly, the arc from spray painting share the wealth on a Beverly Hills building to chasing financial frauds is perhaps not as unpredictable as it might seem on the surface.

Bennett Tomlin: Right?

Bennett Tomlin: Like it's the same power structures, it's the same struggle, just channeled in a way that's a bit more legal and productive, perhaps.

Cas Piancey: Exactly.

Cas Piancey: Yeah.

Cas Piancey: Less chaos, more structure.

Cas Piancey: And look, we all make mistakes.

Cas Piancey: I think this is a big part of what I want to say.

Cas Piancey: Everybody makes mistakes, man.

Cas Piancey: Everybody breaks the law except for you.

Cas Piancey: Everybody breaks the law.

Cas Piancey: Everybody makes mistakes.

Cas Piancey: Everybody is ashamed of something from their past.

Cas Piancey: Look, this is not one of those things, actually.

Cas Piancey: This is not something that makes me I was telling someone else this.

Cas Piancey: For me, it's the personal stuff far more than, like, an arrest record that makes me feel shame.

Cas Piancey: It's my dad passing away and me not being present for it.

Cas Piancey: That's the s*** where I'm like, oh, that's not good sun behavior.

Cas Piancey: That's the stuff that I replay in my head.

Cas Piancey: And hopefully it is so forced in my brain that it actually helps me change the direction of my life.

Cas Piancey: I mean, of course getting arrested helped change the direction of my life.

Cas Piancey: I think that is fair to say.

Cas Piancey: And I stopped tagging after that.

Cas Piancey: So it worked as far as law enforcement can be concerned.

Cas Piancey: But don't let people try to control you just by gossip and personal information that they acquire.

Cas Piancey: I think that there's a lot of sick people out there that do stuff like that.

Cas Piancey: There's plenty of times where you hear about politicians or wealthy people being blackmailed.

Cas Piancey: I think it's easy to feel fearful.

Cas Piancey: It's easy to feel like, oh, there's going to be bad consequences if I have to be vulnerable, but it's just not always the case.

Cas Piancey: And usually the people who are trying to blackmail you or threaten you are the weak ones and will be seen as such by society.

Bennett Tomlin: They're clearly not in the position of strength if they're trying to hold this thing over you.

Bennett Tomlin: Right.

Bennett Tomlin: Like, that's their single point of leverage.

Bennett Tomlin: And so if you take it away, they're basically guaranteed to be in the weaker position.

Cas Piancey: That was the only thing I figured I could do at that point.

Cas Piancey: It was just like, this guy has what he believes is ammunition against me.

Cas Piancey: And until I prove him wrong, he does.

Cas Piancey: Until I own it, he can vaguely threaten me and vaguely do these things and talk all this trash.

Cas Piancey: And then people will just be running around with questions like, oh, is Cass a giant piece of s***?

Cas Piancey: Is he actually, like, a financial criminal?

Cas Piancey: What is this?

Cas Piancey: You know, rightly?

Cas Piancey: So if I'm not going to f****** own up to it, eventually I did it, and the community is what made it not a horrible experience.

Cas Piancey: And I hope that by doing that and seeing that reaction by the community, that more people are willing to come forward if stuff like this happens, that more people don't just go, oh, you know this about me.

Cas Piancey: I'll do whatever you want.

Cas Piancey: Like, don't let people do it.

Cas Piancey: It's scary that people feel like, I mean, this guy has been, as far as I can tell, behaving this way for years and doing it to a lot of people.

Cas Piancey: And the idea that you can have any reputation at all in any industry if that's the way you're behaving towards not just one person or two people, but like dozens of people, it's kind of worrying to me.

Cas Piancey: It's scary.

Bennett Tomlin: I think we've seen it in a lot of industries.

Bennett Tomlin: Right.

Bennett Tomlin: Like you used to work in the entertainment industry, and it was the same kind of thing where people would get this kind of dark and insidious hidden power.

Bennett Tomlin: And once they had it, they end up protected by the fact that, like you're saying people have things that they aren't ready to reveal because that is a scary thing.

Bennett Tomlin: And so because of that, these people are able to maintain their power and their influence.

Cas Piancey: What they're relying on, it's not weakness.

Cas Piancey: They're relying on people to be just basically normal people.

Cas Piancey: Right.

Cas Piancey: They know that everybody is ashamed of something.

Cas Piancey: They know that everybody has secrets that they don't want to share with the world.

Cas Piancey: And if they can get even a little bit of a secret on you, they are absolutely going to do whatever they can to take advantage of you.

Cas Piancey: And the only response to that that will make it stop is to be like, hey, world, this person is trying to blackmail me or threaten me or whatever.

Cas Piancey: To call that behavior out is the only way to make it stop.

Cas Piancey: I'm certain of that.

Cas Piancey: And I don't know what the end results will be of what occurred and the threat and all this stuff, but I will say that I hope that that person never speaks our names again.

Cas Piancey: I hope that he goes away from our lives for good.

Cas Piancey: I don't want to speak of him ever again, and I don't want him to ever speak of us again.

Cas Piancey: It's a pretty simple to me, it's a pretty simple solution to a really bad problem.

Cas Piancey: And hopefully it's the end.

Cas Piancey: Hopefully that's the end of it.

Bennett Tomlin: It's really frustrating for me to see the fact that you had to burn your NEM effectively.

Bennett Tomlin: Right?

Bennett Tomlin: Is lose your pseudonym.

Bennett Tomlin: And I've written about this a little bit.

Bennett Tomlin: But going after these massive, hugely resourced firms and companies engaged in these kinds of things and companies where you're hearing about the executives being arrested due to allegations of their connections to the cartels and stuff like that, and you're talking to people and hearing about organized crime connection in other places, doing that research and presenting it under your real name is really scary.

Bennett Tomlin: And it really sucks doing it under your real name because you feel like the entire time these places and these people are looking for a single detail like a past arrest or something like that that they can use as a piece of what about ism to try to discredit the entire body of work.

Bennett Tomlin: And so, speaking from my own experience as someone who's been doing this kind of stuff for four and a half years now under my real name.

Bennett Tomlin: It's scary and, like, I've gotten ceased and assist letters And I've gotten threats of lawsuits and had executives of one firm Trying to get my address and stuff like that and it's an uncomfortable position to be in and they're doing it Because they don't want this information to be shared and so it can be very beneficial to have people who can speak from behind a veil, a pseudonymity, an anonymity.

Bennett Tomlin: And so it's just especially frustrating to see someone who is nominally in the industry and stuff like that Take such actions to remove that and to be the one trying to expose yeah.

Cas Piancey: And this person Is so deluded that they think that we don't disagree on much.

Cas Piancey: They think that really we're friends, we're friends, we should be friends and it's like if you can be so deluded that you think any friend Would do the things that he's done and the threats that he's made and the way he's spoken of us and attacked us over the past year I just can't fathom I can't fathom being so out of touch with myself.

Cas Piancey: It's less about being out of touch with cryptocurrency or the world or the industry or whatever but so out of touch with reality for myself my guy you spend all day Attacking everyone and everything at least we have substance to the things that we're discussing at least we're talking about Multi billion dollar companies we're questioning protocols that people want to be the world reserve currency to me we're talking about things that matter.

Cas Piancey: This guy is like, well, let me try to destroy These two people's lives for no good reason and you're just like, don't you have something you should focus on Outside of this?

Cas Piancey: Outside of, like, two people who you think you're on our team?

Cas Piancey: He's deluded, but I'm sure there's worse people out there and so you're right, it's scary and I hope that we can move on after this and not have to talk About My criminal history again.

Cas Piancey: It's if anyone does want to talk about it and ask me about what cans I preferred the name of my arresting officer.

Cas Piancey: I don't know whatever details you really need.

Cas Piancey: Happy to provide them.

Cas Piancey: No problem.

Cas Piancey: I guess that's going to do it.

Cas Piancey: Leave a review and a rating everyone except for that guy I know he's going to leave A one star review and say we don't know anything about cryptocurrency.

Cas Piancey: Just back off, get away from our podcast, Dick bag.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.